I salute you, Blood Brothers of Chaos! At Lucca Comics 2007 we sent a Daemonette to innocently hook some news from Alessio Cavatore about the Codexemons... here is what we've got:

- There will be Daemon Princes, but it will be a 'poor choice': fluff-wise they are despised by Daemons, being half-humans in nature (Alessio's words). It's unclear how (and if) they can be possibly worse than they are actually ... no source confirmed that they can be taken as Heavy Supports, but it is highly probable.

- HQ choices will be Greater Daemons and Heralds. Heralds will be 0-2 choice per HQ slot. Heralds cannot be attached to squads with different Marks than their own.

- Greater Daemons will be valid units (no more Independent Characters)

- Daemonic Gifts will be back again... but it is unclear which ones will come back, and if they will be available only to Heralds, or they will let you customize your Greater Daemons.

- There will be a "Daemonic Tank" as Heavy Support choice (Daemonic Engine?): it will be half-daemon/half-vehicle, born out of the wreckages of Predator, Leman Russ etc. which are left in the worlds scourged by warp storms. Alessio referred to it being the 'coolest models he has ever seen'.

- ALL Daemons from past editions will be playable again (I'm expecting Beasts of Nurgle and Fiends of Slaanesh!)

- Daemonic Special Characters will be detailed (OK, nothing new here... I'm hoping to see Doombreed and Foulspawn again!)

- All Daemons will be Fearless and, not being summoned, they will NOT be instable.

- An 'all-daemons invasion' in warhammer 40K occour whenever Warp Gates open and daemonic powers feast upon the innocent inhabitants of the nearby planet.

- it will be a hth-oriented army, though Horrors, Flamers and the new Daemonic Tank/Engine will provide a good amount of firepower.

- No words about the 'Unbound Defiler'... which doesn't mean, of course, that it is a fake.



Another thing...
Given the rumours I read on Warseer, I'm sorry to soothe the flame of enthusiasm in my fellow brothers... but this rumour, though not coming from Alessio Cavatore, comes from a trustworthy source:

- ONLY DAEMONS in this Codex. No Lost and the Damned, no Mutants, no Cultists, no Chaos Space Marines.

I'm sorry for all LatD players, one can always hope that the Codex focus is changed and that LatD are included... Personally I'd rather a dedicated Codex for LatD and renegade forces, though.


I'd like to thank Fede from the forum GW Tilea for having interviewed Alessio Cavatore.
And of course I want to apologize for having called her 'Daemonette'... Being a dedicated Khornate player, she will kill me...

Je me pose une question cruciale... est ce que ce codex est un "add-on" pour le chaos, ou une armée indépendante? Ou est ce qu'ils seront "alliés"?

Bon sang, je ne vois pas pourquoi les démons devraient ne plus être instable. C'est afflufique au possible...

Oh au temps pour moi. C'est une vieille habitude de penser ça, qui date de WHJDR V.1... Tout se mélange dans mon esprit

Army composition:

HQ

Greater Daemons
Herald (2 for slot)

ELITES

Flamers
Flesh hounds (w/special character)
Fiends of Slaanesh
Beast of nurgle

TROOPS

Daemonettes (most powerfull choice)
Bloodletters
Plaguebeares
Pink Horrors (w/special charcter)
furies
nurglings

FAST ATTACK

Bloodcrushers
Seekers of Slaanesh
Sreamers

HEAVY SUPPORT

Soulgrinder (modified Defiler)
Daemon Prince (very customizable choice)

There are 3 special Greater Daemons ( one for Nurgle, one For Tzeentch and one Undivided) and 4 Special Herald ( one for God)

Troop abilities:
-Daemonettes: fleet and rending
-Bloodletters: PW and FC
-Plaguebeares: FNP, Posioned Weapons, Slow and Purposeful
-Horrors: Shooting one

General rule: All Daemons have
-Invulnerable save
-Deep strike
-No Instant death

All codex entries (yes, even the Soulgrinder) are daemons.

The troop choice ar very cheap (not as an ork but cheap)

Bloodthirster is very strong, best stat in the book, on assault phase he can Instant Kill a space marine character in close combat.

Horror shoots a S3 ap3 bolt and have access to one bolt of tzeentch for troop choice

Daemon Prince Stat are lower then the CSM one, is cheaper, but you can buy upgrade to became as the HG choice. Can be more dangeruos in HtH then the CSM (expecialy the nurgle one) or if marked Tzeentch be a very good mobile fire base

This is the Great Unclean One, only it has T6 I2 and slow and purposeful.

DP fly and can wound anything at 2+

Demons can be placed all in deep strike, and than enter in play at 6" from an icon and assault. Every TROOPS choice and some HG/HEAVY SUPPORT and juggernout have Icon.

Bloodeletters T4 and no 3+ save

You can have Heralds of the combination of the god you like.

No undivided heralds.

Only one undivided greater demon

No nurgle or tzeentch cavalry, the first have Daemon Beast and the second Screamers (that are considered jetbike)

Icon bearers are an upgrade for units.

Charoit option changes the stats of the Herald (like +1 T, +2 W + 3A and so on...) and they loose the Independent character status

Beasts of Nurgle are like very toxic, tough but slow spawn... (FNP and poisoned attack)

Gifts:
-noxious touch: wound 2+ in HtH
-boon of mutation: see CSM psichic power, only is a ranged weapon
-breath of chaos: Spry weapon
-unholy might: +1 S
-soporific musk: -1att one enemy in HtH

Lord of change is very powerful:
-has a sort of force weapon, all the tzeentch gift and shooting power, he can shoot 3 times at 3 different targets.

Demons can be placed all in deep strike, and than enter in play at 6" from an icon and assault. Every TROOPS choice and some HG/HEAVY SUPPORT and juggernout have Icon.

QG [HQ?]

Bloodthirster
- very strong, best stat in the book, on assault fase he can Istant Kill a space marine character in close combat
- his Initiative is like a marine.
- Mortal Strike: Range 12 S7 AP 2 weapon
- when assaulting he get S8
- have furios charge and 2+ inv save against psionic power and force weapon, wings and chaos armour. Is good, very good with 5 attack

Great Unclean One
- has feel no pain, immune to instant death, T6 I2 and slow and purposeful.
- Poor Nurgle is very resiliant but sucks for initiative and powers respect the other three.

Lord of change
- is very powerfull: have a sort of force weapon, all the tzeentch gift and shooting power, he can shoot 3 times at 3 different target
- have 3+ Inv. save

Keeper of Secrets
- is less stronger [than a bloodthirster] but made more attack and shoot a "Lash" like power
- can Hit and Run and have assault and defensive granates, plus Fleet.
- Very good stat, the Hightest Init in the game,
- have Hit and Run rule and assault and defensive granates. Can shoot 2 times.
- has Rage 18" S4 AP 3 Assault 3 and the Pavane of Slaanesh (lash like power)

(Undivided Greater Daemons only a Special Character)

Herald (2 for 1 slot)
- you can have Heralds of [any] combination of the god[s] you like (eg. Can have Nurgle and Tzeentch heralds in the same HQ)
- No Undivided Heralds
- [chariots are] herald only and change the stat of the Herald and they loose the Indipendent character status

- Nurgle Herald:
noxious touch [Gift]: wound 2+ in HtH
boon of mutation [gift]: see CSM psichic power, only is a ranged weapon
Cloud of flies [gift] are like have assault and defensive granates [grenades?]
aura [of decay - gift] is a worthless S2 AP - Shoot in HtH to all model in 6" like CSM power
plaguesword [Standard equipment?] is like the one in the old chaos codex

- Slaneesh Herald:
breath of chaos [gift?]: Spry[Template?] weapon
unholy might [gift?]: +1 S
soporific musk [gift?]: -1att one enemy in HtH

- Tzzentch Herald:
"we are legion" [gift]: it allows to shoot at two different target with different weapon
Soul Devourer [gift?]: Psionic [Force?] Weapon
Mast[e]r of Sorcery[gift?]: Can shoot 2 times with different weapons (i.e. monstruos creatures can shoot 3 times)

- Khorne Herald:
Blessing of the blood God [gift]: 2+ inv save against psionic power and force weapon


ELITE

Flamers

Flesh hounds (w/special character)

Fiends of Slaanesh
- have 2 wounds and are immunes to istant death.
- also they are beast.

Beast of nurgle
- are like very toxic, tougth but slow spawn... (FNP and poisoned attack)
- can do a tremendous ammount of attacks


TROOP
- The troop choice ar[e] very cheap (not as an ork but cheap)

Daemonettes (most powerfull choice)
- fleet and rending
- are the better choice non only for rending, but for their cost.
- 5-20 per unit
- [cost] less then Lesser Daemon in CSM codex

Bloodletters
- PW and FC
- cost less then a Chaos space marines
- no armour[save]
- have the Toughness of a Space Marine
- 5-20 per unit

Plaguebeares
- FNP, Posioned Weapons, Slow and Purposeful
- [cost] less then Lesser Daemon in CSM codex
- 5-20 per unit
- have toughness one point more then lesser daemons

Pink Horrors (w/special charcter)
- Special character (the Changeling)
- Shooting one: shoot a S3 ap3 bolt and have access to one bolt of tzeentch for troop choice
- cost less then a Chaos space marines
- 5-20 per unit

furies

nurglings
- they cost like a ork
- worse [stats than an imperial guardsman],
- if the daemons are Immune to Istant death they are usefull for the 3 wound.
- they have not FNP, only the Swarm rule


LIGHT SUPPORT [FAST ATTACK?]

Bloodcrushers

Seekers of Slaanesh
- are mounted daemonettes not the SoC one.
- they have daemonettes stat plus 1 attack and are Cavaller [Cavalry?]

S[c]reamers
- are jetbike, interesting choice with upgrade, suck without.


HEAVY SUPPORT

Soulgrinder (modified Defiler)
- 2 close combat weapon, one Mawcannon (whitch can be ugraded) and a Reaper.
- Is a walker

Daemon Prince (very customizable choice)
- Daemon Prince Stat are lower then the CSM one, is cheaper, but can buy upgrade to became as the QG choice.
- Can be more dangeruos in HtH then the CSM (expecialy the nurgle one) or if marked Tzeentch be a very good mobile fire base
- [Nurgle?] DP fly and can wound anything at 2+


SPECIAL CHARACTERS

There are 3 special Greater Daemons (one for Nurgle, one For Tzeentch and one Undivided) and 4 Special Herald ( one for God)

Nurgle Greater Daemon Character
- Kugath the plaguefather
- have two special rules: Blessing of Pus and nurglings infestation

Nurgkle Herald Character
- Epidemius

Slaneesh Herald Character
- the Masque
- special rule called the eternal dance and a inv save of 3+,
- can shoot two Lash of submission like power for shooting fase

Tzzentch Greater Daemon Character
- oracle of Tzeentch
- is a monstruos creature with 1 wound ( I suspect some strange rule)


GENERAL RULES:

All Daemons have Invulnerable save, can be placed in deep strike and have immunities versus Istant death

All codex entries (yes, even the Soulgrinder) are daemons.

They can't be included in Chaos Space Marines armies, they are an inidipendet force.

A full God army can be made, the strenght of the force varies for the choosen God (IMHO Mono-Tzeentch and Slaanesh are the strongest)


ICONS:
[Daemons] can be placed all in deep strike, and than enter in play at 6" from an icon and assault.

Icon are aveiable to:

Herald
Bloodletters
Daemonettes
Plaguebearers
Horrors
Bloodcrushers
Seekers
Daemon Prince

It's very expensive for troops (10 points less the then a lascannon to a Choosen CSM unit) but cheap for DP (like a flamer)


OTHER:
- no nurgle or tzeentch cavalry, the first have Daemon Beast and the second Screamers (that are considered jetbike)
- there is no psionic power, only shooting weapon!!! is this one of the strongest thing in the list
- there is no daemonic weapon for normal QG, don't know for special one.
- Nugle sucks very bad. It's very tough but slow like hell and can go only in HtH to do some damage, but only GD and DP negates saves
- Nurgle DP is a must [for all-Nurgle armies]
- bolt of change is S9 AP2

Vous avez vue ça

Et vous, qu'en pensez-vous ???

Mais je me demande si il y aura vraiment beaucoup de joueurs prêts à se lancer dans l'aventure, je me suis renseigné autour de moi, et personne n'est vraiment botté par ces sorties...
Et vous, qu'en pensez-vous ???

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Pour ma part, moi qui voulait commencer une armée smc orientée Thousand's sons j'espérais pouvoir compléter avec quelques démons (hurleurs, incendiaires et surtout un duc du changement ...

Parce qu'on peut faire des liste Monothéistes bien méchantes (j'en ai discuté avec des très vilains optimisateurs pabô adeptes de la table rase en 2 tours)

Quant à mon cercle d'amis, il est bien restreint (concernant la figouz) et je me dois d'aller jouer au GW local :'(

déjà quand j'ai demandé si on pouvait alligner les fig armorcast avec les règles Bells of lost souls

Honnêtement ? Non je ne pense pas que ça en valait la peine.
Je ne citerais que mon point de vue. Sans dire que les démons sont des entités complètement idiotes, j'avoue ne pas comprendre le système; une armée entière faite que de démons; je trouve que ça bloque sur le fluff ! Où est l'invocation ? Pourquoi si on ne peut jouer les démons qu' en armée existe t il toujours les démons génériques chez les SMC ?.. où est l'instabilité ? Ils ne sont pas arivés là comme ça ?
Non réellement c'est plus sur le background et le fun que ça ne va pas. Je ne vois pas une bande de démons qui obéit super bien à son chef "allez là bas.. puis par ici.. greeuh.. hop maintenant on passe à l'autre planète"
Non ben non... il y a vraiment un truc qui ne marche pas.. c'est un peu dur à expliquer, c'est sur le fond que ça ne prend pas chez moi

Je trouve que c'est vraiment assez dégueulasse de miser sur Khorne et Slaanesh armée bien popu et de laisser les deux autres moins populaires avec quelques trucs nouveaux sinon rien.

je trouve que ça bloque sur le fluff ! Où est l'invocation ? Pourquoi si on ne peut jouer les démons qu' en armée existe t il toujours les démons génériques chez les SMC ?.. où est l'instabilité ? Ils ne sont pas arivés là comme ça ?

Je trouve que c'est vraiment assez dégueulasse de miser sur Khorne et Slaanesh armée bien popu et de laisser les deux autres moins populaires avec quelques trucs nouveaux sinon rien (même si les fig de Tzeentch sont pour moi parmi les plus belles de la gamme).

Pour moi ce genre de démon devrait être une masse de muscle couverte d'airain et manipulant une méga hache de la mort qui tue.

Non réellement c'est plus sur le background et le fun que ça ne va pas. Je ne vois pas une bande de démons qui obéit super bien à son chef "allez là bas.. puis par ici.. greeuh.. hop maintenant on passe à l'autre planète"